Who was he?

topic posted Fri, March 12, 2004 - 6:42 PM by  K
Thanks for the cool tribe, Demi. I guess a good place to start in discussing the case is how many victims do you think there were? Do you think that it was just the "Canonical Five" or were there more? If he started earlier than the recognized first victim or continued after killing Mary Jane Kelly, it would effect the possible suspects. What are your thoughts?
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  • Re: Who was he?

    Sun, March 14, 2004 - 12:43 AM
    i personally think they never caught him. he was an intelligent man and i'm sure he fled after his "last" victim. i think the government knew about it and just wanted to pretend that nothing was happening because it was just happening to the ladies of the night.
    • Re: Who was he?

      Sun, March 14, 2004 - 1:48 AM
      Yeah after watching "From Hell" it really makes you think about government conspiracy. However, back then it Jack could've been anybody. It's not like the cops could've done forensics on the bodies. And what if it was more than one person who was doing the killing. I guess it's just one of the great mysteries.
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    Re: Who was he?

    Sun, March 14, 2004 - 5:45 AM
    Okay, first let me apologize for getting the subject line of my first post on this tribe wrong. I was debating whether to talk about who the killer was or the number of victims and was so tired I got mixed up. My apologies.

    So who do I think it was? I think it was someone who knew White Chapel like the back of his hand, probably a local. He was someone who could mix with the crowds and not attract a lot of attention. He loathed women and prostitutes in particular. Using what we know now about serial killers, by the time he killed Kelly he was just about at the end of his tether and could probably barely function. Kelly's murder and mutilation were so viscious that any murder which followed would have stuck out too, since he wouldn't have been able to get the "thrill" he needed from less mutilation. Also, the police stopped their efforts to catch the killer after Kelly's murder, which they wouldn't have done on such a high-profile case unless they knew positively who the killer was.

    So I don't think he was an uppper-class person or that there was a conspiracy. He may have been a man named Aaron Kosminski, who was placed in an insane asylum shortly after Kelly was killed. It also may have been a seaman or someone else who could just come into Whitechapel, mix with the crowds and do what he needed to do without attracting much attention.

    In short, I don't know. :-)
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      Sat, March 20, 2004 - 10:30 PM
      I think a common mis conception is that Red Jack hated whores. I think it was just easy pickings...especially if he was apart of that set and they trusted him.
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        Sun, March 21, 2004 - 5:58 AM
        I think the level of violence in the mutilations and the way it escalated definitely shows a strong dose of misogyny in his makeup. It may be that prostitutes were just easy "targets of opportunity" for this irrational hatred of women. What do you think, Raven?
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          Re: Who was he?

          Sun, March 21, 2004 - 11:46 AM
          As far as the whole mutilations thing...well I'm one of those zellits who think it was ritualistic...not choice.
          Also I believe the ripper could have been more than one person.
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            Re: Who was he?

            Sun, March 21, 2004 - 3:43 PM
            I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this aspect, Raven. I think the killer hated women so much, with such a savage intensity, that the mutilations escalated with each new crime. I believe that he was rapidly degenerating by the time he killed Eddowes and was barely functioning by the time he killed Kelly. What he did to Mary Jane is absolutely the worst crime-scene I've ever heard described or seen a picture of. I do think you're right that he was stopped after the Kelly murder.
            • Re: Who was he?

              Fri, April 9, 2004 - 7:04 PM
              Ok, I just watched a show that hit all the highlights of the various theries. I gotta say, now that I remember more of the case, my favorite "who is it" has gotta be the entire conspiracy about the prince, his illicit wife and child, and the eventual killing of all the women who supposedly knew about it all. Not because I think it is the true one, but what fun it is to read about! Syphilitic prince, wrong religion lower class wench, jealous probably homosexual tutor rage, friends and midives who doubled as prositutes who "had to die!" This is the farthest from Occam's Razor than you could get and still somehow manage to call it possibly true!
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                Re: Who was he?

                Fri, April 9, 2004 - 7:29 PM
                You don't know how good it is to hear Occam's Razor used by someone else! Usually when I mention that, people look at me and say "Who's Occam and why are you talking about his razor?" The Royal Conspiracy is a fun idea to contemplate, but I agree that it's probably not what happened.
  • Re: Who was he?

    Mon, April 12, 2004 - 3:17 PM
    He probaly hated his mother, who was a whore, and he was abused by all her callers. and he probaly been doing the killing for years. he just stayed in one area to long. i don't believe he stopped. he just moved on.
    • Re: Who was he?

      Mon, April 12, 2004 - 5:54 PM
      Roslyn Stephenson seems a likely candidate. And the poet Francis Thompson has also seemed like an interesting candidate.
  • Re: Who was he?

    Tue, October 26, 2004 - 12:28 AM
    Wasn't there an American doctor suspect?

    Wasn't he in the neighborhood during the Whitechapel killings AND during similar killings in the US?
    • Re: Who was he?

      Tue, October 26, 2004 - 6:55 AM
      Yep, Francis Tumblety. Researchers only found out about him in the last few years because of the discovery of a memo from one of the detectives in the case. Here's a link about him.

      www.casebook.org/suspects/tumblety.html

      I'm pretty skeptical of him as a suspect for a variety of reasons. His old age at the time (50+), the fact that he was gay, the fact that he lived another twenty years after the murders and no other murders were reported where he lived, and the fact that the American police didn't consider him a viable suspect at the time.

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