Yknow I have been thinking lately...if someone were to get a good team of medical investigators and enough money to back up the effort...I'll bet they could figure out who Jack was. If I had the money and resources I'd do it.
Like that show Histories Dectectives...do you think if I wrote to them it might work? They seem to have uncovered and rewritten a lot of history with that show.
Just an indulgence.
I mean a if a team of Anthropoligists can dig up mummie and get enough bone marrow and DNA to make their facts stick...whats to say they couldn't do the same with the Ripper victums...I'll bet there is evidence there somewhere.
Like that show Histories Dectectives...do you think if I wrote to them it might work? They seem to have uncovered and rewritten a lot of history with that show.
Just an indulgence.
I mean a if a team of Anthropoligists can dig up mummie and get enough bone marrow and DNA to make their facts stick...whats to say they couldn't do the same with the Ripper victums...I'll bet there is evidence there somewhere.
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Wed, July 21, 2004 - 5:11 PMwell thought out raven. didn't patrica cornwell do this with her new book that pointed walter sickertt the impressionist artist as the ripper...? she apparently linked him with secondary dna or something...
i have yet to read her book but i did see a documentary on it about two years ago... lots of people were upset because she cut a square out of one of his paintings for a hair sample or something... -
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 2:21 AMIdidn't now that...I man I knw the whole W.s. thng but...I didn't know abou the DNA...I'll def. check it out. -
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 4:14 AMThe DNA that she was able to link him to only goes so far as to say he is not EXCLUDED as a suspect. But this also includes hundreds and hundreds of other people. It is by no means conclusive.
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 5:51 AMyeah but that's better than a kick in the pants, surely...
and isnt it really strange how he'd be connected to a letter...? i don't know, i'd like to believe it because i'm into art history but i suppose i should read the freaking book and get educated on it, eh...? -
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 1:24 PMScotland Yard received literally hundreds of letters purporting to be from the killer. Cornwall pinned Sickertt as one of the letter-writers; that is all. She uncovered zero conclusive evidence to link Sickertt to the victims themselves. -
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 5:41 PMand spent millions of dollars to do it. -
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 6:56 PMbut hats off to her for trying to figure out something... i mean its better than sitting on your arse not doing anything and speculating... and it makes for interesting discussion. i admire her for it... she had the money to spend, i think that's commendable -
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Fri, July 23, 2004 - 6:26 AMI commend her attempt at a modern forensic analysis of the crimes. How she handled it from there, however (the great leap in conclusions to "case closed"), leaves a lot to be desired. High-profile Ripper investigators seem to have a hard time saying "I'm not sure".
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Thu, July 22, 2004 - 8:25 PMIf you were to exume all of the victims bodies I don't think it would do you much good. Had any of the victims been murdered in the last few years you might be able to get DNA from the murderer that was left on the victim (hair, blood, saliva). But after 116 years the most you could expect is to get is a DNA profile from the victim themself and would good what that do you? What you would need is surviving evidence from the murders--a murder weapon, blood-stained clothing, etc. And NONE of this has survived.
One interesting line of research that some are conducting is to closely examine the recently released British census records from 1880, 1890, and 1900. In this way the suspects places of residence, family members, and profession can be tracked before and after 1888 the year of the murders. -
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Wed, August 4, 2004 - 3:55 PMok...as far as the whole DNA thing...they did remove a ginger beer bottle from the scene of Mary Kelly's murder...Now...the only letter that was thought to have been written by the ripper (because of the details therein that ended up being true later)...mentioned ginger beer...I don't know...I'm just scratching at my own head here, something tells me they could get DNA from that bottle??????-and then maybe use a suspects DNA to link them...just a crazy thought...as usuall. -
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Thu, August 5, 2004 - 12:34 PMIf the bottle is even extant, I doubt that it would have been preserved well enough in the late 1800s to still hold saliva traces from which DNA could be extracted. -
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Sat, August 7, 2004 - 5:51 PMisn't that were secondary dna comes in like fibres in clothing or something...? -
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Sat, August 7, 2004 - 5:54 PMalso sickert had signed into a hotel under the name of jack the ripper and had done a painting that was never displayed in a manchester art gallery called jack the ripper's bedroom - and it was a portrait of his own bedroom. so either he was a freak who wrote ripper letters and fancied himself jack the ripper or he had some sort of link. there is also some linkings to him and the camden murders i believe... and he did some really haunting images... i'll see what i can dig up on the web and post it -
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Sun, August 8, 2004 - 4:12 AMHe lived in a place that the landlords told him that Jack the Ripper once rented. Perhaps that is the reasoning behind the portrait.
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